Bryan, Jehn Collayes. rieu savage and me OI IVIOUIT Desert I prookline DOOKSHILL Starting July 12, we welcome you to shop with us later into the evening! Our new store hours will be Monday through Saturday 8:30am to 10pm and Sunday 10am to 9pm! Maine Cottages FRED L. SAVAGE and the Architecture of Mount Desert JIJU M, Bryan Photograph By Hahard Cheel SHARE Maine Cottages: Fred L. Savage and the Architecture of Mount Desert By John M. Bryan (/search/author/John M. Bryan) , Richard Cheek (/search/author/Richard Cheek) , Photographs by Richard Cheek (/search/author/Richard Cheek) $ 50.00 https://www.brooklinebooksmith.com/book/9781568983172 Epp, Ronald From: Epp, Ronald Sent: Friday, September 23, 2005 2:27 PM To: 'John Bryan 2' Subject: RE: Fred Savage & MDI Landscape Design Dear John, I appreciate your most recent email and now have Charolotte doing some detective work on the dating of Fred Savage's plans for restoring Old Farm. However, I write briefly this afternoon to indicate my support for your idea of a work on "the tradition of landscape design and preservation on MDI. As you know, there is no such study but there are many who are interested in this theme: Patrick Chasse, Judith S. Goldstein, Dennis Bracale, Margie Coffin-Brown come immediately to mind causing me to wonder whether you had considered editing a compilation of articles rather than authoring a work solo. I'm quite familiar with the extsnded discussions that took place during the Rockefeller carriage and motor road era involving Beatrix Farrand and NPS officials who managed in the 1930's the aesthetics of mtor road development with a keen eye toward long range issues. There are several notable studies of the evolution of NPS landscape design that I have used repeatedly, not to mention the ongoing inbterest of the Olmsted Center in Brookline and its involvement in more recent ANP projects. Rarely does a week pass when I don't chance upon some letter from--JDR Jr. or G.B. Dorr that treats aesthetic concerns with surprising degrees of sensitivity ( appealing to the philosophy professor in me trying to stir student interest in aesthetics ) Do keep me abreast of your thinking on this matter and I am most interested in meeting you next spring on or near MDI. Ron Epp Original Message From: John Bryan 2 [mailto:bryanj@gwm.sc.edu] Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2005 9:25 PM To: Epp, Ronald Subject: Re: Fred Savage {SpamScore: sssss} On 9/19/05 2:10 PM, "Epp, Ronald" wrote: Dear Professor Bryan, > > Several weeks ago I finished a close reading of Maine Cottages and > wanted to let you know how interesting I found it, especially the > striking images and end notes. Thank you for your colorful and > thorough recounting of an era and a place about which too little > serious work has been published. > > Earlier this summer I sat for two hours with Charlotte at the MDIHS > and looked at the Savage blueprints of Old Farm. I hope to examine > these more closely when I return in mid-October. Since Old Farm was > not featured in Maine Cottages I wonder whether you have any > impressions or documentation relative to the old Farm project that you > would be willing to share with me now that the book is in print. I am > especially keen on whether any of these plans were actually executed > and whether there is documentation for payments by George Dorr for > work completed. What's your judgment? I believe you mentioned that the > Rick Savage may have that accounting document in hand. > > In recent months I've learned about as much as is extant on Henry > Richard, the 1878-1881 old Farm architect from Gardiner, Maine. I've > just uncovered a scathing eight-page characterization of Mrs. Dorr in > the so-called Yellow House Papers at the Maine Historical Society 1 > which leads me to wonder whether her death (in 1901) was the occasion > for Dorr approaching Savage for a redesign, his inheritance now being > secured. > > I was especially taken with your judgment that "Savage himself, > however, like other year round residents, watched the development of > the conservation movement from the outside. It may be more than a > curiosity, John, that the rise of the the conservation movement coincides with the end of the cottage > era. > > Finally, I want to thank you for much useful information (much of it > embedded in the fascinating end notes) which spirited a wave of > interlibrary loans) as well as reminders to follow up on odds and ends > with Ray Strout, Bob Pyle, and Earle Shettleworth. My five year > research project for the Dorr biography is 95% complete, several > publications have already appeared as chapter prototypes, and soon as > I retire at the end of this year, the writing will begin. > > I hope the professional reviews live up to your expectations! > > Ron > > Ronald H. Epp, Ph.D. > University Library Director > Southern New Hampshire University > > Original Message > From: John Bryan 2 [mailto:bryanj@gwm.sc.edu] > Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 10:47 PM > To: Epp, Ronald > Subject: Re: Fred Savage > > > On 7/22/04 11:32 AM, "Epp, Ronald" wrote: >> Dear Professor Bryan, >> >> I hope this message finds you wel--and possibly enjoying the MDI >> summer. Have you been to Swans Is. as per your earlier message? >> >> Earle Shettleworth recently sent me an essay on Henry Richards >> (1848-1949) from the Biographical Dictionary of Architects in Maine >> written in 1984 by Roger Reed. I had queried Earle about Old Farm and >> queried him about published attributions for its design in 1878 to >> both A.E. Oakey and to Henry Richards. In the Reed article it states >> that Lewis Gerrish Jr. [then of Bar Harbor] "has floor plans which >> show alterations to [Old Farm] by Fred Savage, a local architect. >> Blueprints of these plans are located in the Bar Harbor Historical >> Society.' >> >> This may be commonplace information to you but it was a surprise for >> me. I've set an email to Deb Dyer to see whether she can be of help. >> Is this issue addressed in your forthcoming book? If not, any >> insights? >> >> I've developed a rather hefty file on Old Farm that emphasizes its >> cultural heritage but not at the expense of its architectural >> evolution, gardens, and historic relationship to the birth of Acadia >> National Park. By the way, were you aware that Florentine Films, >> cinematographer Ken Burns production company, is developing >> "America's Best Idea, a ten hour documentary on the evolution of >> five of the national parks (including Acadia--due for release in >> 2009. They've been in touch with me and we've been exchanging >> information and ideas, especially regarding Mr. Dorr and the role of >> old Farm relative to the genesis and early development of the park. >> 2 >> I'll be on MDI August 19-21. If you are in the area, perhaps we could >> meet! >> >> Ronald H. Epp, Ph.D. >> Director of Shapiro Library >> Southern New Hampshire University >> Manchester, NH 03106 >> >> 603-668-2211, ext. 2164 >> 603-645-9685 fax >> >> >> >> -Original Message >> From: Epp, Ronald >> Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2003 3:28 PM >> To: 'John Bryan' >> Cc: Epp, Ronald >> Subject: RE: Fred Savage >> >> >> Dear Professor Bryan, >> >> My apologies for not responding quickly to your email of three weeks >> ago. As an academician you will appreciate that the arrival in >> September of a new President set in motion a series of rigorous >> demands on we administrators. I've had too much administrivia to >> contend with and far too little time for Mr. Dorr. >> >> I look forward to the publication of your book even if it is delayed >> by the publisher's marketing concerns. I have looked closely at the >> PAP catalog and ordered several titles for our collections; >> obviopusly yourw will be added to my personal and our institutional >> holdings. >> >> Yes, I have contacted Earle Shettleworth and will pay him a visit at >> the Commission in a few weeks. Bob Pyle was extremely helpful and >> full of anecdotes about Mr. Dorr and his strong preference for the >> research collections at the Northeast Harbor Library-- as opposed to >> the more public collections in the Jesup Library that he helped >> establish. Finally, regarding your suggested contacts, I've not >> contacted Rick Savage yet; the MDI phone book has three listings for >> that name. Do you have the correct contact address? >> >> Finally, I don't have any information on Joseph Curtis other than >> promotional information. Sorry. >> >> >> P.S. I know of your interest in the MDIHS Journal. The currenbt issue >> contains my article on the relationship between Dr. Abbe and Mr. >> Dorr. From what I hear from the editor of that issue it appears that >> the Journal and the Society are encountering some rocky times in >> terms of retaining staff and providing continuity for their programs. >> >> Happy New Year!!! >> >> Ronald H. Epp, Ph.D. >> Director of Shapiro Library >> Southern New Hampshire University >> Manchester, NH 03106 >> >> 603-668-2211, ext. 2164 >> 603-645-9685 fax >> >> >> >> Original Message 3 >> From: John Bryan [mailto:bryanj@gwm.sc.edu] >> Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 3:39 PM >> To: Epp, Ronald >> Subject: Re: Charles Savage >> >> >> Dear Prof. Epp, >> My manuscript is finished & is in New York, and it is my >> understanding that it will be published in the spring of 2005. The >> publisher, Princeton Architectural Press, was going to bring it out >> this coming spring, but they already had another book about New >> England in their catalogue, so they bumped mine to the back of the >> line. They may change the title, but the working title is Fred L. >> Savage, Architect of Mount Desert. As you will be aware, he did some >> work for Dorr, but none of Fred Savage's letters seem to have >> survived. Since I didn't work on Charles, and since I am not aware >> of any relevant correspondence, I'm afraid I can't be of any help. I >> trust you have touched base with Earle Shettleworth, Bob Pyle and >> Rick Savage - they should all be able to help you. Do you have any >> information on Joseph H. Curtis? I am writing a short piece about >> him for the National Park System. Thank you for getting in touch & I >> look forward hearing from you again. John M. Bryan >> > Ronald, sorry to have missed you. I have no way of checking my emails > during the summer & have just returned to my university office & > received yours. The editors let me add the quarry information which > you shared last spring & I wrote a golden footnote acknowledging your > contribution. The book should be out next spring & I will let you know. Maybe we'll meet next > summer & thanks for staying in touch. John Bryan > > > Dear Ron, Thank you VERY much for your thoughtful letter about the Savage book. In closing you note that you are about to retire & begin writing after some five years of research on Dorr. I will retire at the end of this semester - 20 teaching days to go and only 40 lectures as the tag end of a 34 year career. I can't wait! And I wish you well too. I am frankly jealous of your five years research. Our budget and contract on the Savage book allowed only 2 /12 years from start to finish, so I hope if you found any shortcomings you will be understanding. (I wish I had had time to track down family papers belonging to the cottagers - I know it could be done, and it would have made many of the houses come alive.) I'm not one of those scholars who hold things back, hide information and won't share. I don't know anything that's not in print in the book, except that I would like to know more about Joseph Curtis & am thinking about trying to raise support for a book focusing on him, Farrand, the Rockefellers and the tradition of landscape design and preservation on MDI. 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The publisher, Princeton Architectural Press, was going to bring it out this coming spring, but they already had another book about New England in their catalogue, so they bumped mine to the back of the line. They may change the title, but the working title is Fred L. Savage, Architect of Mount Desert. As you will be aware, he did some work for Dorr, but none of Fred Savage's letters seem to have survived. Since I didn't work on Charles, and since I am not aware of any relevant correspondence, I'm afraid I can't be of any help. I trust you have touched base with Earle Shettleworth, Bob Pyle and Rick Savage - they should all be able to help you. Do you have any information on Joseph H. Curtis? I am writing a short piece about him for the National Park System. Thank you for getting in touch & I look forward hearing from you again. John M. Bryan of June have Smith essay. 1/5/14 defective 1 Message Page 1 of 1 Epp, Ronald From: Epp, Ronald Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 4:13 PM To: "bryanj@gwm.sc.edu" Cc: Epp, Ronald Subject: Charles Savage Dear Dr. Bryan, I've been meaning to contact you for the better part of a year following conversations with Jaylene Roths regarding our overlapping MDI research interests. I'm three years into archival research on an intellectual biography of George B. Dorr. In recent months I've concentrated on museum development within Lafayette/Acadia National Park that resulted in a 75th anniversary Abbe Museum presentation and the companion article in the next issue of the MDIHS Journal. My research at the Rockefeller Archive probably duplicates some of your own efforts in determining the character of the correspondence--and relationship-- between JDR Jr., Savage, Dorr, and other MDI notables. My purpose in writing is to inquire whether I can expect to find in your forthcoming biography discussion of involvements between the aforementioned threesome (which is not the same triumvirate that Judy Goldstein refers to in her writings). I'd also appreciate any information you can share about the expected publication date. I apologize for my tardiness in bring my project to your attention. I'm off to MDI tomorrow to once again follow up on the seemingly endless leads that is at the heart of sound historical research. Ronald H. Epp, Ph.D. Director of Shapiro Library Southern New Hampshire University Manchester, NH 03106 603-668-2211, ext. 2164 603-645-9685 fax greed Old X° "Exus Make 1894. 12/2/2003