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Goriansky, Alex (Ie Eliot Papers)
Goriandey, Alex
(he Eliot Papers).
617-227-8127
Free
P.O.Box 8752
Boston, UA 02114.
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Mr. Alexander Y. Goriansky
77 Mount Vernon St.
Boston, MA 02108
Dear Mr. Goriansky,
It may have come to your attention that a book titled The Making of Acadia National Park: a
Biography of George B. Dorr will be published in April 2016 as part of the Centennial
celebrations of the National Park Service and Acadia National Park.
Both Dr. Eliot and his eldest son figure prominently in my book which will be published by the
Friends of Acadia. As we are now finalizing selection of the images to be used to supplement the
narrative, I recently came across the 1882 Charles Eliot photo published in the March 22, 2013
review of Community by Design titled "Brookline Perspective" The image was attributed to
Carola Eliot Goriansky. Would you agree to provide my editor (auimee@friendsofsacadia.org)
with a copy of this handsome photo for inclusion in my book?
Nearly ten years ago it was my pleasure to uncover Charles Eliot's personal "Scrapbook" in the
Trustees of Reservations archive then housed in the attic of the Crane Estate, close to the Ipswich
home of Lawrence Eliot. After finding out that TTOR was unaware that it held this personal
history of its founders development, I interviewed Lawrence Eliot who also was unaware that
this treasure existed among the Charles W. Eliot II papers he had gifted to the TTOR. Later,
Keith Morgan joined me at the new TTOR Archive in Sharon to discuss the authenticity and
conservation options for this important discovery.
I appreciate your consideration of this matter.
Most sincerely,
Breed Ep
Ronald H. Epp, Ph.D.
532 Sassafras Dr.
Lebanon, PA 17042
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Re: Epp essay on Rev. Samuel A. Eliot & C. Eliot Scrapbook
From Alec
Tue, Sep 06, 2016 04:43 PM
Subject : Re: Epp essay on Rev. Samuel A. Eliot & C. Eliot Scrapbook
To : eppster2@comcast.net
Dear Ron -
Well, I got back to Boston about four hours ago only hear from you. Thank you for the Draft for HCTPR which I have
printed out to read downstairs (in an arm chair). My plan is to show the five books to Keith Morgan and he and I will
investigate your questions of dating, etc, then. He wants to see them soon.
Back to my mail.
Aleo
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From: Ronald Epp
To: Alex goriansky
Sent: Tue, Sep 6, 2016 4:17 pm
Subject: Epp essay on Rev. Samuel A. Eliot & C. Eliot Scrapbook
Dear Alec,
I wish to thank you once again for your hospitality over the last two weeks.
As you saw, I was especially moved by the five scrapbooks that you had brought
to your home from Boston.
As you recall, the scrapbook of news clippings in your possession contains scores of
content from the mid-1880's. Would you take a closer look at this document and determine
the date range? I'd very much appreciate this information in order to unravel the following.
I
ask because the Eliot Scrapbook at the ARC in Sharon contains clippings no earlier than
1890 and cover a span to the time of his death. Thus, we have two clipping scrapbooks
with no apparent overlap. We may also have a lapse in time between the final entry in the scrapbook
in
your possession and the ARC scrapbook; could there be a third scrapbook to account for this
lapse?
In 2007 when I discovered the first Eliot scrapbook I had no reason to presume earlier versions.
Now you have provided a second puzzle piece and I have speculated about a missing third
piece. Before serious analysis of the ARC scrapbook is completed it is necessary to address these
chronology matters, undertake a similar analysis of the content of the scrapbook in your possession,
compare the results of each, and resolve the issue of a possible third scrapbook to account for the missing years.
I
appreciate your confidence in bringing me into this inquiry. On this 125th anniversary of The Trustees,
the possibility of piecing together a full account of the evolution of the organization could not be more timely.
I hope that we can make some steady progress to that end.
Finally, I've not copied Alison on this matter because I thought that decision is best left in your hands.
Please share this with whomever you wish. I have also attached a draft of the article I wrote six months ago--that you expressed interest in--
about Reverend Samuel
A. Eliot, forthcoming in the second edition of the history of the Hancock
County Trustees of Public Reservations
My best to you and Steve.
Most Appreciatively,
Ronald H. Epp
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Epp essay on Rev. Samuel A. Eliot & C. Eliot Scrapbook
From : Ronald Epp
Tue, Sep 06, 2016 04:16 PM
Subject Epp essay on Rev. Samuel A. Eliot & C. Eliot Scrapbook
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To : Alex goriansky
Dear Alec,
I wish to thank you once again for your hospitality over the last two weeks.
As you saw, I was especially moved by the five scrapbooks that you had brought
to your home from Boston.
As you recall, the scrapbook of news clippings in your possession contains scores of
content from the mid-1880's. Would you take a closer look at this document and determine
the date range? I'd very much appreciate this information in order to unravel the following.
I ask because the Eliot Scrapbook at the ARC in Sharon contains clippings no earlier than
1890 and cover a span to the time of his death. Thus, we have two clipping scrapbooks
with no apparent overlap. We may also have a lapse in time between the final entry in the scrapbook
in your possession and the ARC scrapbook; could there be a third scrapbook to account for this
lapse?
In 2007 when I discovered the first Eliot scrapbook I had no reason to presume earlier versions.
Now you have provided a second puzzle piece and I have speculated about a missing third
piece. Before serious analysis of the ARC scrapbook is completed it is necessary to address these
chronology matters, undertake a similar analysis of the content of the scrapbook in your possession,
compare the results of each, and resolve the issue of a possible third scrapbook to account for the missing years.
I appreciate your confidence in bringing me into this inquiry. On this 125th anniversary of The Trustees,
the possibility of piecing together a full account of the evolution of the organization could not be more timely.
I hope that we can make some steady progress to that end.
Finally, I've not copied Alison on this matter because I thought that decision is best left in your hands.
Please share this with whomever you wish. I have also attached a draft of the article I wrote six months ago--that you expressed interest in--
about Reverend Samuel A.
Eliot, forthcoming in the second edition of the history of the Hancock
County Trustees of Public Reservations
My best to you and Steve.
Most Appreciatively,
Ronald H. Epp
Ronald H. Epp, Ph.D.
532 Sassafras Dr.
Lebanon, PA 17042
717-272-0801
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Fwd: George B. Dorr
From Ronald Epp
Wed, Mar 11, 2015 05:13 PM
Subject Fwd: George B. Dorr
To : Ron Epp
From: "Alec"
To: Eppster2@comcast.net
Cc: auimee@friendsofacadia.org
Sent: Thursday, February 5, 2015 3:20:38 PM
Subject: George B. Dorr
Dear Dr. Epp
Your letter arrived here and then the snow which has bogged things down. And now snow again.
Yes. I am aware of your book and am looking forward to it very much. I am also aware of Community by Design,
written by my friends and published last year and which I am embarrassed to say I had not seen. I needed to see
it to find out which photo you wanted to use. I found a copy last week.
When Keith Morgan produced the second edition of Charles Eliot Landscape Architect he asked me for
permission to use a photo of Eliot standing behind a stone wall (p. viii) and he credited it "Courtesy of
Alexander Y. Goriansky." I chided him for not saying "Courtesy of the family of Carola Eliot Goriansky."
It really was her's, and her mother's, photo. And no one else seems to have used it.
Then Keith asked me for permission to use a photo in Community by Design. I thought he was using
the same photo but not so. This is Eliot's college head-shot and unfortunately credited to "courtesy of
the Family of Carola Eliot Goriansky." I have it here in Boston in the form of a carte de visite which Keith
saw and may have scanned. He may have it in digitized form. But it had nothing to do with my mother
so I think we go back to "Courtesy of Alexander Y. Goriansky." And yes, I'd be happy if you use it.
Sincerely,
Alec Goriansky -
617-227-8127
P.O. Box 8752
Boston, MA 02114
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Keith
From: Ronald Epp
Date: Sunday, February 8, 2015 at 10:57 PM
To: Alec
Cc: Keith Morgan
Subject: Re: George B. Dorr
Dear Alex & Keith,
Thank you very much for permission to use the requested Charles Eliot photograph. Keith, do you still
possesses a scanned copy of the image in question that you could share with me?
I just returned from Bar Harbor where I gave a talk at the annual gathering of 300 members of the Mount Desert Island Historical Society.
I referred at some length to Charles Eliot and the discovery I made at the Crane Estate of his personal Scrapbook. Several people asked
afterward how such an important document could have had "so little interest" to the Eliot family, quoting directly from Lawrence Eliot.
Do either of you have a read on this situation?
While at this meeting I learned also that the MDIHS possesses a Charles Eliot manuscript on the history of
Mount Desert Island, a document which was unknown to me. I intend to examine this at my next visit but wondered whether there is
anything in the Eliot family archive that refers to this manuscript?
Again, Alex, my thanks for your kindness, I can sendyou asample chapter of my biography of Mr.Dorr that deals with the Eliot family
if you are interested.
Cordially,
Ronald
From: "Alec"
To: Eppster2@comcast.net
Cc: auimee@friendsofacadia.org
Sent: Thursday, February 5, 2015 3:20:38 PM
Subject: George B. Dorr
Dear Dr. Epp -
Your letter arrived here and then the snow which has bogged things down. And now snow again. Yes. I am aware of your book and am looking forward
to it very much. I am also aware of Community by Design, written by my friends and published last year and which I am embarrassed to say I had not
seen. I needed to see it to find out which photo you wanted to use. I found a copy last week.
When Keith Morgan produced the second edition of Charles Eliot Landscape Architect he asked me for permission to use a photo of Eliot standing behind a
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stone wall (p. viii) and he credited it "Courtesy of Alexander Y. Goriansky." I chided him for not saying "Courtesy of the family of Carola Eliot Goriansky."
It really was her's, and her mother's, photo. And no one else seems to have used
it.
Then Keith asked me for permission to use a photo in Community by Design. I thought he was using the same photo but not so. This is Eliot's college
head-shot and unfortunately credited to "courtesy of the Family of Carola Eliot Goriansky." I have it here in Boston in the form of a carte de visite which
Keith saw and may have scanned. He may have it in digitized form. But it had nothing to do with my mother so I think we go back to "Courtesy of
Alexander Y. Goriansky." And yes, I'd be happy if you use it.
Sincerely,
Alec Goriansky -
617-227-8127
P.O. Box 8752
Boston, MA 02114
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Eliot Family Introduction : CANP, ch. 2
From : Ronald Epp
Wed, Mar 11, 2015 05:22 PM
Subject : Eliot Family Introduction : CANP, ch. 2
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To : Alec
Dear Alec,
Thank you for facilitating the use of the Charles Eliot photograph in Keith Morgan's possession.
I've delayed responding to your request for a sample chapter from Creating Acadia National
Park because I expected a clean --that is, post-edited--version which is still not available. So
I've provided you with chapter two where the Eliot family is introduced.
I welcome any comments.
All the Best,
Ronald Epp
From: "Alec"
To: knmorgan@bu.edu, eppster2@comcast.net
Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 3:55:41 PM
Subject: Re: George B. Dorr
JUST IN CASE I NEVER SENT THIS OUT, HERE IT IS FROM MY DRAFT FILE!
Gentlemen -
Thanks for the up-date. We all seem to be moving in the right direction. I, of course, am trying to avoid having to dig out the carte de visit and having
someone scan it in high pixels, but I will if I have to.
Larry Eliot was his father, Charles William Eliot II's, executor (and youngest child). I know him well. Handling his father's papers must have been a very
big job. I'd love to see the scrap book. On the MDIHS manuscript, it sound like something that Larry's father might have written. The only Charles
Eliot
manuscript I know, from a typescript here and at the Loeb Library, is Charles' memoir of his travel in Europe.
And of course I would like to see the sample chapter of your biography that deals with the Eliot's
Alec
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From: Morgan, Keith N
To: Ronald Epp ; Alec
Sent: Mon, Feb 9, 2015 7:49 am
Subject: Re: George B. Dorr
Dear Ronald:
I will check with the Library of American Landscape History to see if they have a scan that they can send to you. In terms of Mount Desert, I assume you know about David Haney MA thesis at the
University of Pennsylvania on Eliot and Mount Desert. David is a friend, although I have never actually seen his thesis. He teaches in England now.
Keith
From: Ronald Epp
Date: Sunday, February 8, 2015 at 10:57 PM
To: Alec
Cc: Keith Morgan
Subject: Re: George B. Dorr
Dear Alex & Keith,
Thank you very much for permission to use the requested Charles Eliot photograph. Keith, do you still
possesses a scanned copy of the image in question that you could share with me?
I just returned from Bar Harbor where I gave a talk at the annual gathering of 300 members of the Mount Desert Island Historical Society.
I
referred at some length to Charles Eliot and the discovery I made at the Crane Estate of his personal Scrapbook. Several people asked
afterward how such an important document could have had "so little interest" to the Eliot family, quoting directly from Lawrence Eliot.
Do either of you have a read on this situation?
While at this meeting I learned also that the MDIHS possesses a Charles Eliot manuscript on the history of
Mount Desert Island, a document which was unknown to me. I intend to examine this at my next visit but wondered whether there is
anything in the Eliot family archive that refers to this manuscript?
Again, Alex, my thanks for your kindness, I can send you a sample chapter of my biography of Mr. Dorr that deals with the Eliot family
if you are interested.
Cordially,
Ronald
From: "Alec"
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Re: Epp essay on Rev. Samuel A. Eliot & C. Eliot Scrapbook
From : Ronald Epp
Thu, Oct 06, 2016 04:14 PM
Subject : Re: Epp essay on Rev. Samuel A. Eliot &C. Eliot Scrapbook
To : Alex goriansky
Dear Alec,
A week ago I returned from a nine day book road trip through CT and NY. Quite enjoyable.
On my return I read Carl Little's 2004 Chebacco essay on your father which I wish I had read
prior to our meeting at your Northeast Harbor home. "Orrin's House," is it not? I found it
interesting that your father worked for Ralph Adams Cram, a friend of Dorr who
designed a cross for him that created quite a stir on MDI, as I explained in my book.
I heard from Paul Fremont-Smith that you and he were planning to meet more often about
the Eliot family archives. As you doubtless witnessed, the Charles Eliot scrapbooks that you
shared with me hold great scholarly promise for a re-writing of the New England conservation
movement. I wondered whether in the last month the opportunity arose for Keith Morgan to
examine what I was shown? And if so, what was his impression?
Lastly, I noticed that you were present at a recent Boston celebration for the 125th anniversary
of The Trustees. I received an invitation but the book tour conflicted.
Wishing you and Steve the best as we approach the holiday seasons.
Ronald Epp
From: "Alec"
To: eppster2@comcast.net
Sent: Tuesday, September 6, 2016 4:43:02 PM
Subject: Re: Epp essay on Rev. Samuel A. Eliot & C. Eliot Scrapbook
Dear Ron -
Well, I got back to Boston about four hours ago only hear from you. Thank you for the Draft for HCTPR which I have printed out to read downstairs (in an arm
chair). My plan is to show the five books to Keith Morgan and he and I will investigate your questions of dating, etc, then. He wants to see them soon.
Back to my mail.
Alec -
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From: Ronald Epp
To: Alex goriansky
Sent: Tue, Sep 6, 2016 4:17 pm
Subject: Epp essay on Rev. Samuel A. Eliot & C. Eliot Scrapbook
Dear Alec,
I wish to thank you once again for your hospitality over the last two weeks.
As you saw, I was especially moved by the five scrapbooks that you had brought
to your home from Boston.
As you recall, the scrapbook of news clippings in your possession contains scores of
content from the mid-1880's. Would you take a closer look at this document and determine
the date range? I'd very much appreciate this information in order to unravel the following.
I ask because the Eliot Scrapbook at the ARC in Sharon contains clippings no earlier than
1890 and cover a span to the time of his death. Thus, we have two clipping scrapbooks
with no apparent overlap. We may also have a lapse in time between the final entry in the scrapbook
in your possession and the ARC scrapbook; could there be a third scrapbook to account for this
lapse?
In 2007 when I discovered the first Eliot scrapbook I had no reason to presume earlier versions.
Now you have provided a second puzzle piece and I have speculated about a missing third
piece. Before serious analysis of the ARC scrapbook is completed it is necessary to address these
chronology matters, undertake a similar analysis of the content of the scrapbook in your possession,
compare the results of each, and resolve the issue of a possible third scrapbook to account for the missing years.
I appreciate your confidence in bringing me into this inquiry. On this 125th anniversary of The Trustees,
the possibility of piecing together a full account of the evolution of the organization could not be more timely.
I hope that we can make some steady progress to that end.
Finally, I've not copied Alison on this matter because I thought that decision is best left in your hands.
Please share this with whomever you wish. I have also attached a draft of the article I wrote six months ago--that you expressed interest in-- about Reverend Samuel A.
Eliot, forthcoming in the second edition of the history of the Hancock County Trustees of Public Reservations
My best to you and Steve.
Most Appreciatively,
Ronald H. Epp
Ronald H. Epp, Ph.D.
532 Sassafras Dr.
Lebanon, PA 17042
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Charles Eliot & Acadia National Park
From : Ronald Epp
Wed, Jan 21, 2015 08:22 PM
Subject : Charles Eliot & Acadia National Park
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To : Alex goriansky
Cc : Aimee Church
Dear Mr. Goriansky,
It may have come to your attention that a book titled The Making of Acadia National Park: A biography of
George B. Dorr will be published in April 2016 as part of the Centennial celebrations of the National
Park Service and Acadia National Park.
Both Dr. Eliot and his eldest son figure prominently in this book which will be published by The Friends of
Acadia. As we are now finalizing the selection of photographs to be used to amplify the narrative, I recently
discovered the 1882 Charles Eliot photograph published in the March 22, 2013 review of Community by
Design titled "Brookline Perspective," attributed to Carola Eliot Goriansky. " Would your family agree to
provide me or my editor (aimee@friendsofacadia.org) with a copy of this handsome photo for inclusion?
Nearly ten years ago it was my pleasure to discover Charles Eliot's Scrapbook in the Trustees of Reservations
archive then housed in the attic of the Crane Estate, close to the home of Lawrence Eliot, After
finding that TTOR was unaware that it held this personal history of its founders professional development,
I
interviewed Lawrence who wasn't aware that this treasure existed nor that it was in the Charles
W. Eliot II collection.
I've attached a copy edited version of my Introduction to the forthcoming volume for your
consideration.
With Best Wishes,
Ronald H. Epp, Ph.D.
532 Sassafras Dr.
Lebanon, PA 17042
717-272-0801
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Dear Mr. Paine,
I
appreciate your effort to contact me and your comparison of the CWE letters that each of us had in our
possession.
You may not be aware of the fact that of the scores of letters from President Eliot to Mr. Dorr, Mr. Rockefeller, and
others relative to the establishment of Acadia National Park, this letter is the most revealing of CWE's views about
Dorr's character. I only wish that a similar letter from Mr. Dorr to others about CWE survived. Lacking this, it is still
possible to make sound inferences regarding the nature of their relationship which I intend to make a keystone in
the Dorr biography. If you or cousin Alexander have any manuscripts (or copies) that bear on the establishment of
the Hancock County Trustees of Public Reservations or the effort to bring the park into being I would be very
appreciative if you would consider sharing this with me.
I wonder if either of you has any documentation relating to CWE's official responsibilities with the Massachusetts
Trustees of Reservations, the precursor for the HCTPR. Last July I visited their archives at Long Hill and carefully
examined the official TOR Minutes from 1891 through the mid 1920's, focusing attention on the roles of Charles
Eliot- and later his father. My interest was centered on comparing the origins of both land trusts with an eye
to identifying areas of overlap. Later that summer, the Executive Director of the Woodlawn Museum in Ellsworth
( the last remaining property administered by the HCTPR) had me speak to their Trustees on my findings which
were subsequently published in their Newsletter (if you would like to see a copy of this I can email it to you).
Please accept my appreciation for your assistance with my project. My hope is that I can secure a publisher
(obviously, Harvard University Press will be approached) and complete the publication prior to the 2009 airing of
cinematographer Ken Burn's 10 hour series ("America's Best Idea") on the evolution of the Nationbal Park
Service-which will focus on Acadia and with whom I have been consulting on the roles of both CWE and Mr.
Dorr.
With best wishes,
Ron Epp
P.S. Please use my new email:
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From: Eliot Paine
Subject: CWE Itr 1 Sept. 1915
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 10:41:10 -0500
Dear Dr. Epp,
We look forward to your biography on Mr. Dorr.
Cousin Alec Goriansky has shared with a copy of this letter to Ellen T.
Bullard.
My copy typed on thin tissue and signed by CWE is identical with one
minor exception. In lines one and two "incapacity to finish an
undertaking" has been deleted in pencil. This deletion is reflected
on your copy.
Best wishes, Eliot Paine
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